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Dec. 21st, 2008 08:05 pm
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How should one light a Solstice bonfire?  This year, I did it with thermite (video has a naughty word 'cos I was startled).  That's about 150 grammes of stoichiometric thermite made with ordinary, off-the-shelf stuff and lit with a sparkler.  The molten iron, at around 2000c, spattered and burned so we didn't retrieve it, but this proof-of-concept firing means I can go ahead with the thermite lost-wax casting I've got in the project file.  Yes, I'm going to be doing mjolnirs.  :)

Date: 2008-12-22 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maythen-apple.livejournal.com
that was fun to see. thank you

Date: 2008-12-22 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shifty-176.livejournal.com
I could do with a new hammer...
When I get organised (caveat: this is taking longtime) with the forge and all that jolly stuff, I was thinking of making knives and such, but up to now I never actually considered casting my own hammer. Hmm.

Date: 2008-12-22 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
I'd guess it would be plain cast iron, and way too soft for hammers. Unless there's some cunning way to control the carbon content of the output. That might be fun.

Date: 2008-12-22 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Ornamental hammers! Lust for a big chunky mjolnir pendant cast in kaboom is what started this whole gig off...

Date: 2008-12-22 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
Hurrah for melting!

We had mostly-good results with lost-foam in sand, doing bronze casting. Like lost-wax but without the annoying burnout phase. Not suitable for tiny, tiny work, but I guess with thermite you probably aren't aiming for that anyhow.

Date: 2008-12-22 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
A few photos of the lost-foam product, by way of illustration:
http://jarkman.co.uk/catalog/fripperies/bronzerobotboy.htm
http://jarkman.co.uk/catalog/fripperies/theclaw.htm
http://jarkman.co.uk/catalog/fripperies/cthulhuspike.htm

Should have some process photos somewhere, too. Wonder where they are ?

Date: 2008-12-22 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Those robots are lovely fine detail - is that using regular polystyrene foam or something cleverer? (Nice Marvin scuplt, too)

I haven't done any casting since we did lost-foam way back in school, with aluminium. I can't even remember what I cast, though I do remember that a kid called Tony slipped with his metal and took a beautiful negative of his steel-toed boot!

Date: 2008-12-22 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
It's the stuff builders use - comes in two-inch-thick slabs, a bit denser than ceiling-tile and much more consistent in texture. It goes away like it was never there when the molten metal approaches.

What scale are you thinking for your mjolnirs ? Lost-wax and a plastery investment will give you better resolution, but I think it will be a lot more faff.

Date: 2008-12-22 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Thermal batt, aye, it's more consistent and less bobbly - I'll give some a try. I was thinking around the 4-6 cm scale (4 across the head, 6 along the shaft) by about one deep, roughly. I like the roughness of sand casting, it pleases me greatly, and a worn piece will patinate really well.

Date: 2008-12-23 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
I'm liking the sound of this. Do you have some scheme to keep the thermite in till there's a nice puddle of iron ready ?

Date: 2008-12-24 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Hmm, not yet. I was going to go with a flowerpot full of thermite and a wax plug to keep it in place. I *think* that as it starts at the top, by the time it gets to the bottom it'll be a boiling mass of liquid iron. I'll keep you posted!

Date: 2008-12-24 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
Very exciting.

You know all about the importance drying your mold and the dangers of metal-splash, I hope ? I've only had one incident along those lines, on a very small scale, and I wouldn't want to have another. We we doing silver casting by the lost-frog process, and we hadn't baked out the frog properly, and got a real silver fountain.

In fact, I'd worry a bit about your wax plug vapourising in a steel-throwing kind of a way. I had a google, and this chap:
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Elements/026/index.html
reports success using layers of aluminium foil as a plug.

Good luck!

Date: 2008-12-24 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Top link and duly noted!

"My first large batch, about a pound, burned great for about 3 seconds and then exploded, which is not something thermite is supposed to do. It turns out I should not have used a zinc penny to cover the hole in the bottom of the crucible: The boiling point of zinc is much less than the temperature reached by the reaction, so when the molten iron hit the penny, it exploded into zinc vapor. A copper penny was only slightly less explosive: Turns out you're supposed to use an aluminum disk. Using folded up layers of aluminum foil I have had no more problems with explosions. Which is not to say I'm anywhere closer than 20 feet away whenever I ignite thermite: It would be really quite stupid"

Date: 2008-12-24 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
:-) Yes. 20 feet doesn't actually seem that far, once you imagine you might have a pound of molten iron flung at you.

Date: 2008-12-24 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
It's about five feet behind the camera... (eek)

Date: 2008-12-22 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonnycowbells.livejournal.com
Can you still send this sort of thing to Harry Hill for a couple of hundred quid? Self-financing thermite is the best.

Date: 2008-12-22 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Not unless I set fire to my beard or the duck that lives next door...

Date: 2008-12-22 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
...oh, and it's silly cheap. That shot would be about £3 if I hadn't burned all the sparklers while drunk :)

Date: 2008-12-24 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despaer.livejournal.com
You can achieve a similar effect by mixing iron filings and powdered sulphur (which I remember getting from a garden centre once upon a time) and lighting with a similar hot source (the pink bit of a match in my case). Give it a go on your next bonfire.

Date: 2008-12-24 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andygates.livejournal.com
Flowers of sulphur! Indeedy... though nothing like as violent :)

Date: 2008-12-24 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despaer.livejournal.com
Ah, but me and my mate Jez thought it would be much cleverer if we bent a piece of copper pipe over to seal one end, filled it up and lit it. You get a roman candle job about 10 feet high.

Date: 2008-12-24 10:49 pm (UTC)

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